#notajeep

"Just Jeepin'" (macintux) 08/13/2020 at 23:45 • Filed to: jeep, willys

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BaT apparently has an odd policy regarding the  Willys CJ-2A (at least): they won’t label it a Jeep for searching purposes.

Quoting the seller of this fine specimen:

Connected with BAT. They stated that they don’t “tag” these vehicles as Jeeps because “We did not list the Willys as a Jeep as to not confuse any bidders or followers. There are likely to be comments from many people that it is not technically a Jeep if were were to label it that way.”

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That, despite Willys themselves clearly identifying it as a Jeep on the service manual cover.

Crazy.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > Just Jeepin' 08/13/2020 at 23:54

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That is a bit strange given that most people would search that. 

jminer > Just Jeepin' 08/13/2020 at 23:57

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There are strange lines between Willys Jeeps, Kaiser Jeeps and AMC Jeeps.

I owned a CJ6 that was the last year branded as Willys (63) even though it was made by Kaiser. These are all things that mattered though even though it was identical to the ones made either earlier or later until the AMC era which was a big shift.

Also the Ford GPW/Willys MB is a strange and passionate divide.

Just Jeepin' > jminer 08/14/2020 at 00:11

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I knew that Ford bought out Willys/Brazil and rebadged the Rural. W hat I didn’t know until poking around a bit tonight: they also continued selling CJ-5s under the Ford name. Owning a Ford CJ-5 would be quite a hoot.

https://web.archive.org/web/20100716184147/http://www.film.queensu.ca/CJ3b/World/Brasil.html

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > jminer 08/14/2020 at 00:22

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Bantam invented it, then Ford and Willys had the capacity so they ran away with it. Bantam made trailers after that. I like to say nice Ford grill to Jeep people because they were the one that made the easily stamped slot grill. Pretty funny that it’s Bronco VS Jeep and FORD designed their holy slotted grill. I’ll stick with old Dodge military trucks, I might want to carry something big.

jminer > Just Jeepin' 08/14/2020 at 00:23

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I can’t even remember the amount of license built jeeps I’ve come across. Since that’s how they started and the brand was always owned by a small broke company it was an easy source of revenue they couldn’t tap themselves. I always liked the Mitsubishi one for some reason.

I love the history of the V6 that lived in the late kaiser jeeps, started as a Buick engine who sold tooling to Kaiser , then back to Buick when the fuel crisis hit and they needed a V6  and then to Land Rover if I remember correctly . It was also the ancestor of the 3800 that lived a very long time in GM products.

jminer > 415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) 08/14/2020 at 00:27

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Yep on the grill.  Those early jeeps are so tiny, modern UTVs are larger than the old flat fenders.

facw > Just Jeepin' 08/14/2020 at 00:51

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I mean neither the make nor the model is “Jeep” so I wouldn’t expect them to allow “Jeep” in either of those places. Seems like it should be fine in descriptions, and perhaps other areas.

415s30 W123TSXWaggoIIIIIIo ( •_•))°) > jminer 08/14/2020 at 03:10

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Edgyhal94 > jminer 08/14/2020 at 05:50

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I think you might be thinking of the Buick 215 small block V8, that’s the one Rover adopted into the Rover V8 that was in Land Rovers from about 1968-2005, Land Rover didn’t get a V6 till the 90s, with the Rover KV6.

This concludes your boring  lecture on Land Rover engines, from 1960-2005, thank you for reading

ranwhenparked > Edgyhal94 08/14/2020 at 08:24

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Yes, but Buck's fantastic 3.8 V6 was based on the design of the 215 V8, with two cylinders lopped off and the material switched from aluminum to cast iron, so they are part of the same engine family. They also did an iron version of the V8 itself, which lasted to 1980.

Edgyhal94 > ranwhenparked 08/14/2020 at 08:50

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I was meaning that the V6 Jiminer was talking about wasn’t used by Land Rover. But I didn’t know that the 215 lasted till the 80s. Personally I think the Rover V8 was pretty much a completely different engine by the end of its run to the Buick it was based on.

ranwhenparked > Edgyhal94 08/14/2020 at 09:19

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So was the final GM 3 800, evolutionary changes. 

jminer > Edgyhal94 08/14/2020 at 10:52

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You’re right, I remembered a Landy connection to the same engine but it was the v8 - closely related to the 225/231/3800 V6.

https://www.autoweek.com/car-life/a1832656/cut-down-engine-week-buick-v6/

Edgyhal94 > jminer 08/14/2020 at 15:55

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Don’t worry about it, I’m much worse with engines. For the longest time I thought the Lotus Espirit V8 was a Rover V8, turns out it was their own design, sort of felt like a bit of a pillock. Oh well, you definitely weren’t as far off as I was